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400mg is the min I would go with deca.
Gains will be non-existent to minimal with deca alone I'm affraid.
For a first cycle run deca with test. Very good, very basic.
I'd save the
winny till the end of your cycle and then run it 50mg ED.
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Okay...now dont get mad...but heres whats wrong witht hat cycle.
1. Deca should be run minimum 12 weeks to see any results.
2. Deca should be front loaded, actually most LONG acting gear should be front loaded...u dont taper up and down...start with like 800 mgs week 1-2 then go down to 400 mgs weeks 3-12.
3. Deca by itself will not glean good size, strength or fat loss....U should be adding test, of whatever kind, even at low dosages to start seeing beter results.
4. I weighted 225 lbs when I started juicing, maybe u could get some more size naturally first.
5. U dont mention any PCT, so when u say will I keep my gains....u are telling me u dont know what it is. Do a search and learn about post cycle therapy, dosages, anti-e's, and get them lined up before u juice.
6. If u add low dose test, then sure add the winny at 25-50 mgs a day weeks 9-15.
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50mg ED is good for winny. I would go with ED due to the short half life.
The min amount of test I would use would be 400mg per week.
IMO you'd be wasting your money on deca alone. Everyone responds differently but I know it would be a waste for me.
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if you are running the deca at 400mg i'd say run the test at a minimum of 400mg/wk. for 10 wks
run the winni at 50mg/day for wks 8-13. the test and deca will still be in your system those last few weeks since they are long esters. when you stop the winni start the PCT.
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Originally posted by spencer123
I plan on working out like a demon, eating like a horse and sleeping like a baby.
If you did that, you'd probably make gains without adding steroids. You're only 170 pounds...