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Tren Or Tren +d Bol?
#1
Contemplating between a tren or tren + d bol stack for my first cycle. Looking for a good gain without huge sides. I am looking to keep it relatively simple and minimize use of anti-estrogens if possible, but as the first cycle usually nets the best gains I want to do it right. Would it be best to start the cycle with the D-bol for a short period of time then just finish with tren, or run d-bol most of the way through and use an anti-estrogen as well, or just forgo the d-bol all together and run just the tren @ 75mg/ed for 6 weeks? I have been training for 3 years and have a solid base of training and nutrition but with all of the information regarding AS i've researched I am still having trouble coming to my final decision regarding my first cycle.
Thanx for your time,
Turbogti
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#2
you didnt research enough then. 1) a 6 week cycle is almost a waste of time 2) 6 weeks is the max you should run d-bol
3) you're looking for a good gain without huge sides-tren has the most sides IMO. what's your age?
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#3
Nearly all of the information I've seen regarding tren cycles list them around 6 weeks due to it's extremely short half life and fast acting nature. I wouldn't run d-bol for the entire cycle, as it is 17-alkylated and hard on your liver. I was thinking of starting with the d-bol for 30mg a day for the first 4 weeks, coming in with the Tren Around the 2nd week and continuing with the tren for another 6 weeks making the d-bol tren cycle 8 weeks in total. I realize tren has sides (cough, balding, acne, tren flu, tren dick), but being a class 1 androgen with good binding to the receptor it is less prone to water retention, gyno and fat storage. I have read that combining a class 1 and a class 2 (d-bol) would have a strong synergistic effect. If you have any suggestions as to what you think I should do I would appreaciate your input. I am 23 years old.
Turbogti
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#4
you can still get gyno AFTER a tren cycle. the main reason for d- bol is to kick start a cycle, so start at the same time. i would run test though , you will not get much gains off tren only(a few lbs @ best) & most likely will lose d-bol gains. heres my advice- for a first cycle i would NOT jump right into tren. this is what i recomend
@ least a 10 week cycle
week 1-10 500 mg's test
week 1-4 30-35mg's d-bol E
clomid PCT
nolva on hand
if you decide not to listen to me ,then run tren/test. Run tren 2cnd 1/2 of the cycle to harden gains. you will like the results much better. i (& many vets) never run a cycle w/out test. test is the foundation of any good cycl
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#5
Thanks mtex. The beginning to think tren may be a little too much for a first cycle and will consider something more along the lines of your recommendations.
Thanks again,
Turbogti
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